Thanks for the links but after 6 hours setup/config testing i had already read them twice. I still can't get a phpdigExclude to work, its on its own new line. And reindexing via web admin simply refuses every time with 'Document already exists' feedback. I have searched here and read but dont see a potential solution/answer except for cron jobbing. But i can't be bothered to do this (lazy managed hosting takes ages to do my bidding) without some certainty of reward - i got a site to run and need to redevelopment tempates with phpdiginclude and exclude tags....
I think i should probably turn on debugging and test again. Weird thing is some templates work with the phpdigincludes and some do not. Any they are identical!
Any other pointers welcome.
alans